SAN FRANCISCO (KCBS) -- The California Supreme Court has overturned a gay marriage ban in a ruling that would make California the second state to allow gay and lesbian weddings. READ MORE
Both concurring and dissenting opinions disagree with the majority’s conclusion that the marriage statutes are unconstitutional. Read all the opinions here.
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Do you agree with the CA Supreme Court decision overturning the ban on gay marriage?
Yes
47%
No
45%
I Don't Care
8%
05/15/2008 10:31AM
Gay Marriage Ban Overturned
What are your thoughts?
05/15/2008 10:45AM
not the last court decision
This will be in courtrooms for years.
05/15/2008 10:59AM
IS THERE NO SHAME LEFT IN US?
CALIFORNIA IS NOW THE MODERAN DAY SODOM AND GAMORAH. HOW PITIFUL DOES A SOCIETY REPEAT THE SAME MISTAKES FORM THE PAST. WHY DO WE EVEN WAIST OUR TIME TO VOTE WHEN IF THE POLITICIANS WON'T SUPPORT OUR COMMON VOICE. OUR COUNTRY WILL SUFFER THE LOSS OF GODS BLESSINGS! DR. JAMES W. NEWELL
05/15/2008 11:15AM
IT'S ABOUT TIME!
ALL is fair in love and war...and marriage.
05/15/2008 11:22AM
*no shame*
Wow you're beyond closed minded. Hopefully you forgot to vote.
05/15/2008 11:25AM
"WAIST OUR TIME"
Hopefully you didn't vote Doc. Learn to spell then come voice your opinion.
05/15/2008 11:35AM
Weclome to the 21st centry
We live in a time where GOD is LOVE not punishment
inclusive not exclusive.
God has blessed America with a Government that supports rights for all!!
Wake up look around and be
Grateful for what we have!!
It was 1948 when Califormnia took the lead on allowing inter-racial marriage.
And now CA takes the lead again on doing what is Just, equal, and right.
The religous right could better use thier money to help thier local communities fight dispear and proverty rather than spending billions of dollars fighting a very small minority of people wanting to live in peace.
05/15/2008 11:54AM
Shame?
Is there no shame left in people who abuse the Bible to support their own prejudice? The Bible says nothing - anywhere - about loving, committed, monogamous, same-sex relationships. Given all of the infidelity and divorce in heterosexual couples, perhaps people should clean up their own houses before judging others.
Furthermore, this nation was founded by individuals fleeing from religious persecution, so no matter how strongly anyone believes in their particular holy documents, they do NOT belong in our government.
05/15/2008 12:07PM
B.O.H.I.C.A.
What%u2019s next? Is there intention to sue God and Mother Nature for not offering them the same biological rights as a man and women being married? You know, having a child!.
05/15/2008 12:13PM
Sean
Does this mean Gavin is going to marry Bevan?
05/15/2008 12:47PM
JAK
Congrats to us all that our state has finally gotten out of the religion business! Marriage is a religious concept best left to the churches. Common sense spoke today to allow all citizens equal status before our government.
05/15/2008 12:50PM
It is written...
As Jesus did to Satan when Satan tempted him -- he quoted the Word of God. God loves us, and as a good father he provides instruction to protect us from our foolish thinking. The fear (respect) of God is the beginning of wisdom. See Romans chapter 1:
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities%u2014his eternal power and divine nature%u2014have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator%u2014who is forever praised. Amen.
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
05/15/2008 12:53PM
Gay Marriage saves lives
Here is prima facie evidence that Same Sex Marriage saves lives:
1) Even the religious far right has to admit that Marriage prompts monogamy.
2) One can not conclude much for specific cases, but statistically monogamy definitely helps prevent Aids and other sexually transmitted diseases.
3) It immediately follows that Allowing Gay Marriage will save lives.
05/15/2008 1:07PM
It is written...
As Jesus did to Satan when Satan tempted him -- he quoted the Word of God. God loves us, and as a good father he provides instruction to protect us from our foolish thinking. The fear (respect) of God is the beginning of wisdom. See Romans chapter 1:
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities%u2014his eternal power and divine nature%u2014have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator%u2014who is forever praised. Amen.
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
05/15/2008 1:42PM
It is written.....
It's interesting how you parenthetically translated the word "fear" to "respect" to make your point. Fear ajnd respect have nothing to do with each other. Fear can best be described as false respect. Fortunately, our Supreme Court recognized that we have a civil government, not a religious one.
05/15/2008 3:13PM
Doing the Right Thing
This is the inevitable outcome of a long battle. When are people going to realize the marriage is both a sacramental issue as well as a civil one? Under the law, everyone should have the right to marry, no matter what the sexual orientation. Churches have the right to ban whatever they want so long as they don't invade a person's civil rights. But the churches should only affect their members. They can always excommunicate someone...so let them and we'll see who cares about their bigotry!
05/15/2008 3:58PM
Common Sense
It is common sense that, people have a right to make friends -- they can make friends with whoever they want.
But when you talk about marriage, you talk about making a "family". A family is one which can have and raise children. Adopting is not equivalent, since you could say, I am marrying an animal, and we are adopting a human/animal child, which is stupid. Hence the capability of biologically having a child is important, for a 'family' to be called a 'family'.
If you like a person who is the same sex as you, please do live with him all your life. But what is the point of calling it a "marriage", and a "family"?
You will say -- whats the problem with that? I will tell you: when the new generation teenagers will read/hear/see that they could marriage either sex -- all the normal, natural views regarding relationships will take flip turn -- and half of the people will end up marrying in the same sex.
This will cause, lack of children, and hugely incorrect gender ratios, and then you will see a new generation of America, having no natural kids.
Then America will perish, culturally, and economically.
05/15/2008 4:03PM
Biblical principles vs. self-serving ignorance
Our word for respect is a frail comparison to its Hebrew and Greek equivalent. This type of fear is not that of being afraid or terrified, other than being fearful of God%u2019s wrath (Romans 3). It is intense respect, reverence, and awe towards God. Thus, "fear" is used instead of "respect" or "reverence" in most English translations. Proverbs tells us the opposite of the fear of God is to be a fool! These are the reprobates in Romans, chapter one, who trust in themselves and not God, who hate knowledge and correction. They seek distortion and destruction of others and themselves. They stir others to strife and contention, the opposite of what we are to do on this earth (Prov. 1:22; 1:31-23; 5:12; 12:1; 14:1; 11; 20:3; 28:26; 29:11)! Our founding fathers of this country understood this. That is why the core precepts of our government and it laws are built on biblical principles. That is why the Ten Commandments are displayed over the front entrance of the U.S. Supreme Court Building, engraved on its doors, and is present on the wall behind the Supreme Court Justices. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a loving God, AND He is a just and a jealous God. Reject Him and His Word -- do whatever is right in your own eyes... change laws to suite the swaying cultural wind of the day -- and you will regret it... eternally.
05/15/2008 4:48PM
rational view: Gay marriage is not right!
People who support gay-marriages make these same arguments over and over again, and here are my answers to them:
1) If you dont like same-sex marriage, dont do it!
This argument is ridiculous, since if it were rational, then no laws could ever have been made. People can only control themselves by default, but millenniums ago people came together to form societies so that they could live together and decide on some common laws that make sense, and are agreed on by most people, and then enforced on the whole society. Like murder is wrong. They didnt think, if somebody thinks murder is wrong, he should not do it. Or child-sex for example, both the adult and the child may have agreed, but we all consensually agree that a child may not be able to make his own decisions correctly and wisely.
2) They give a history where women had no voting rights, right to property, etc and then slowly the rules came to be as they are today, where equality reigns supreme.
Just past rulings do not imply that any future rulings will be right. Lets decide on this now given the context of the present and the actual argument being made. Just because in the past we have become more and more liberal, it does not imply we should continue to do so without considering the current argument.
3) Gay marriage is a right!
Ridiculous. Nobody is telling you to not do anything here. Nobody is telling you to not live with your same-sex friend/lover or whatever you call that relationship. The fact is actually that you are asking the society for some privileges, not that society is infringing on your rights. You can do whatever you want to -- if you want to mentally consider that you are married, please do. But "marriage" and "family" are society-supported institutions. . so if you are asking for society to consider you as married, society has its own right to evaluate according to its own rules! Until societal rule is changed, gay marriage is not a right!
Now my own arguments:
1) Biology: As humans, only heterosexual couples can have children. Our society should view "marriage" and "family" as a group which can have and raise children, and have a lasting growth of relationships. This serves as an institution which represents our very meaning of life -- the very way we have reached this stage, the very way we grow ourselves, the very way we live.
2) Impact on children: As the next generation teenagers grow -- they will study at school that marriage can be both hetero and homosexual. They will see gay couples around in the society. And this will cause them to choose their own mate in either sex. This will cause a lot of emotional problems and relationship issues. The whole way we related to each other way will collapse. Although this is not a critical problem, since it will stabilize in some way or the other, what is a problem is that, half of these kids might end up in a gay marriage. Which will immediately cause half of the population of the new generation in the country to be infertile. This will raise very serious issues to the country -- ranging from social, sociological, to the economical, and to America's ability to retain its title as superpower.
More arguments could be made, but these are ones that come up at the top of my mind, and with the time I have.
05/15/2008 4:50PM
anything goes
I though the people of Calif. already disapproved same sex marriage. What's the purpose in voting when things like this happens! Makes me sick.
05/15/2008 5:07PM
What's Next
the supreme courts made their decision, Mayor Gavin Newosome spoke out in a super excitement as if he was to become a husband or a wife to one of the. Being gay is a personal choice and nobody can take away that choice but it is the court's duty to enforce the law that protect the society from abnormal and destructive behaviors. In nature, all living organisms were created as males and females and the process of building legitmate families among the human race required a legal bonding between a male and a female with hope breeding to save the human race from extinction. When the court legalizes the marriage between same sex people it actually legalizes the sexual abuse among same sex which is the factor behind having too many gay people in the USA. No, one denies that some people were born with some opposite sex characterstics but that doesn't mean they are a fair game to the abuser of the same sex. Finally, I think all gays including Mayor Gavin know where GOD stand regarding this issue.
05/15/2008 5:16PM
Shame
I find this ruling to be strange in that it allows a man have a sexual relationship with another man by way marriage but in the same time they ban mormons and others from having a legitimate marriage to more than one women. I think Gay and Lesbian group will be asking the court to allow them to adopt kids. Can you imagine 2 men one acts as a husband and the other would be carrying the baby as a normal mother would ( they know they are fooling themselves. Marriage has and will always be between 2 of opposite sex of the same species
05/15/2008 5:22PM
It's about time!
If two people are truly in love with each other, and plan to be together for life, then I feel it's absolutely acceptable for them get married, regardless of their sexual orientation. Three cheers for the CA. Supreme Court!
05/15/2008 5:31PM
to "common" sense
normal to you, isn't necessarily normal to others. it's all in the way we were brought up. some have tolerance of those who are different from us, then there are those who have hatred and narrowmindedness in their lives. love is love. a family can be a group of friends who have lost their parents at an early age, have no blood relatives in the area, and decide to live together in one household. they can call each other family..they support each other emotionally, and look out for each other. in a way, i think this country needs more lasting relationships, wether they be hetero or homosexual, and people do need to stop having children!! it the explosion of population that leads to food shortages, global warming, and all of the other environmental damages happening each and every day. the more we hate, the further apart we become as a nation. marriage is only a word. and like i said before, love is love, no matter who the person is.
05/15/2008 6:33PM
Agreed with "Doing the right thing"!
I agree with "Doing the right thing". This is the inevitable outcome of a long battle. When are people going to realize the marriage is both a sacramental issue as well as a civil one? Under the law, everyone should have the right to marry, no matter what the sexual orientation. Churches have the right to ban whatever they want so long as they don't invade a person's civil rights. But the churches should only affect their members. They can always excommunicate someone...so let them and we'll see who cares about their bigotry!
05/15/2008 7:18PM
Keep religion out of this
This is NOT a religious issue -- it's a matter of equality and justice. The Constitution of the State of California says we are ALL equal. The religious nuts find it necessary to quote the Bible so as to justify their own bigotry. Why not quote "The DaVinci Code" or "Silence of the Lambs" or "Horton Hears a Who?" Simple. It has no bearing on the Supreme Court's decision. I'm glad for gay people. The same ridiculous rhetoric was spewed by people who said it was a sin for blacks and whites to marry.
05/15/2008 7:20PM
Finally!
Do you realize what this means? Other states will follow California in this decision. Remember we were the first to allow interracial marriages. Virginia was the last to allow it in 1967. There will be more resistance to this issue, but it WILL eventually be a fact of life after we are gone.
05/15/2008 7:25PM
to its about time !
Now i can finally marry my pet Goat!
05/15/2008 10:03PM
It is written....
I AGREE WITH YOU 100%!!! MARRIAGE S BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMEN.I DONT AGREE WITH THE IDEA OF SAME SEX MARRIAGE,HOWEVER THE BIBLE SAYS THAT IN THE LAST DAYS IT WILL BE AS SODAM AND GAMORA. . TO GAY MARRIAGE SAVES LIVES.WOW ARE YOU CONFUSED!!!!
05/15/2008 10:13PM
The Supreme Dorks!
I thought we voted NO on this disgusting life style a few years back. all it takes is a couple of activist judges to change what we the people said no to!no wonder isaq doesnt want a democracy when they watch our own countrys supreme court undermine its own moral value's and Godly foundations!!
05/15/2008 10:39PM
Why is Compromise Impossible?!?
I don%u2019t understand why there can%u2019t be a compromise to give religious and non-religious people both their rights? America is for Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness is it not? America is the land of the great because we are united and divided yet we are able to coexist peacefully as one because we value equality and justice that is carried on created by our forefathers who set out to live as a democracy.
Homosexuality is freedom of choice and a person%u2019s right, just as a person who chooses not to be a homosexual. People who believe in a religion have a right to be given their freedom of belief as with people who have the right not to be associated with religion. A human is a human with human rights regardless of gender, race, ethnicity, socioeconomic status, etc%u2026
But what is defining in the pure definition in itself of what words means is where I see the problem. The word %u201CMarriage%u201D seems to be the issue. %u201CMarriage%u201D is being misused. %u201CMarriage%u201D is derived from the word Matrimony. We all should know the origin of the word matrimony to use it and understand it. It%u2019s a religious belief plain and simple. Religious beliefs should be able to have its rights too. Just as America should maintain a way of peace, people need to feel protected in order to feel justice. Same goes for people who feel that they should have the same rights as those who are given the benefits of %u201CMarriage.%u201D They ought to have the same benefits as %u201CMarried%u201D couples if they too find a significant other. It%u2019s the %u201CRights%u201D that ought to be equally shared. I see %u201CRights%u201D as being address as what is law. Such as sharing benefits, tax breaks, sharing lasts names, social security, retirement, etc.
Why can%u2019t we create a title for that?!? Honor %u201CRights!%u201D So call same sex unities something they feel is appropriate for them including people who choose not to believe in any religious faith. It%u2019s not a matter of segregation so that people are excluded to equal rights or illegitimacy. Rather it%u2019s giving people freedom to honor their beliefs, customs, or religion separate from the State or Law. Just like cars, motorcycles, and recreational vehicles. They all have to be registered and licensed and they all have their own separate forms and categories and stickers. Yet they get to keep their identity and share the same road.
05/16/2008 12:25AM
Ignoring Voters' Will
Once again liberal activist judges managed to override the will of the voters. We have defeated this deviance before, and we will do it again this November. Why should 3% of the population that is homo force 97% of the hetero population to be subjectedto the will of the MINORITY?! Babies are made by one woman and one man! Up until today was an Independent voter. Now I will change my affiliaton to Republican. Worst Republican is still better than any liberal. I see it very clearly now.
05/16/2008 7:37AM
the function of a court
Our Supreme Court has done exactly what a court was meant to do - protect the rights of the minority. This is why we have more than one branch of government. The legislative branch supports the rights of the majority. It is left to the courts to protect the persecuted minorities. I am shocked by the hatred spewed by the so-called "religious" groups. I've seen nothing in the Bible that makes these individuals the morality police. This was a courageous decision by the court - and the only legally correct decision possible.
05/16/2008 7:43AM
foaming at the mouth and can't spell
Ever notice the anti same sex marriage people tend to "foam at the mouth" when talking?(ex: Samuel Rodriguez and Fred Phelps).
Also, did these people go to school? Spelling is atrocious (go out and buy a dictionary if you don't know the definition of atrocious).
By the way, you only look less intelligent when you write in all caps.
To all homophobes: please work on your own disfunctional heterosexual marriages, and leave the peace loving GLBT community alone to build solid, loving and lasting relationships that will far outlast yours.
05/16/2008 8:18AM
Newsom's Dad is Gay - No Wonder!
It's a little-discussed fact that Mayor Newsom's dad is a gay ex-judge (what a surprise!). Is it any wonder his confused son is pushing us over the cliff!
05/16/2008 8:22AM
Did I Miss Something??
Did I miss the vote on this? Did the legislature pass a law making this possible? How can a court make laws?
Whether it is abortion or gay marriage, it sure seems that society would be better served by having these issues decided by a vote rather than by judicial fiat.
This method subverts our constitutional process and ensures endless rancour and debate. But, if you put it to a vote, most people will recognize that the majority of their fellow citizens want or don't want something.
05/16/2008 8:23AM
What's next??
Can I now marry my daughter? Can I marry two women? Can I marry my horse?
Absent some underlying structure (morality?), how do we decide where to draw lines?
05/16/2008 8:57AM
Refuting arguments.
How many here have actually read the reasoning behind the court's decision? They've addressed all of the issues brought up. Guess I'll have to address the mis-information.
First off, we live in a Republic, not a Democracy. There is a difference. Most major civil rights decisions have been decided by the court, not by popular vote. If it was otherwise, it's very likely that African Americans and women would still not have the vote.
Second, there is a big difference between same-sex marriage and polygamy. Just look at recent events in Texas to see why. And if you insist on including human/animal marriages in the same category as either same-sex marriage or polygamy, then you need to go back to school and re-take biology, psychology, sociology, etc, until you understand the difference between humans and animals.
Third, how is gay marriage directly or indirectly harming you or your marriage? Can you cite one piece of evidence proving it does?
Fourth, if marriage is for procreation only, then we better start nullifying marriage between senior citizens. Your parents (if your mom's past menopause) need to get divorced, under this logic. Same goes for women with hystorectomies, or impotent men- they shouldn't get married in the first place.
Fifth, marriage is a civil ceremony as much as a religious one. Every society, regardless of religion, has a marriage ceremony for its citizens. So by including religion in the argument, you're also saying that Wiccans, Bhuddists, Muslims, athiests, etc. should not be allowed to get married, either.
Finally, I'm wasting my breath, because anyone who's against gay marriage isn't going to bother to read this whole post anyway.
05/16/2008 10:02AM
Environmental issues
Just look at the timelines for comparison: Begining in 1924, the Society for Human Rights in Chicago becomes the country's earliest known gay rights organization. At this same time, climatic records keeping becomes the norm for major cities throughout the United States.
In 1951, the Mattachine Society, the first national gay rights organization, is formed by Harry Hay, considered by many to be the founder of the gay rights movement. That same year, the "Big Three" US auto manufacturers began installing emissions equipment. Then in 1969, the Stonewall riots transform the gay rights movement from one limited to a small number of activists into a widespread protest for equal rights and acceptance. Patrons of a gay bar in New York's Greenwich Village, the Stonewall Inn, fight back during a police raid on June 27, sparking three days of riots. Shortly afterwords, The Environmental Protection Administration was created by then President Richard Nixon. 1996 saw Romer v. Evans, the Supreme Court striking down Colorado's Amendment 2, which denied gays and lesbians protections against discrimination, calling them %u201Cspecial rights.%u201D One year later, world envirnmental leaders met in Kyoto, Japan, to form the early beginnings of what would later become known as the "Kyoto Protocol"
In 2004, same-sex marriages become legal in Massachusetts, followed by Connecticut in Oct. 2005, and then New Jersey in December of 2006. That same year, "An Inconvenient Truth" is released. It is an American documentary film about global warming, presented by former United States Vice President Al Gore and directed by Davis Guggenheim.
On May 15, 2008, the California Supreme Court rules that same-sex couples have a constitutional right to marry. When the ruling goes into effect in June 2008, California will be the second state, after Massachusettes, to legalize same-sex marriages. Environmentalist nation-wide, begin warning the USGS (United States Geological Survey), that California is in emminent danger of breaking loose from the North American Continent and falling into the Pacific Ocean.
This short lesson in history, and it's warning, is as clear as the Constitution...
If we do not take measures now, to put Homosexuality back in the closet, we will face the danger of a double-edged sword, one edge Fruitless Marriages, the other Environmental Self-Extinction...
OK, I'm spent...
Next?
05/16/2008 10:11AM
YEAH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's about time. Why can't same sex couples have the same rights as "straight couples" do? They are peolpe just like the rest of us.
05/16/2008 10:16AM
pathetic
pathetic, amoral usurpation of the will of the majority.
05/16/2008 11:29AM
Sick Society
This state, this country, this government in a moral decline. Now that homosexuality is now the acceptable norm, all kinds of sexual transmitted diseases (new and old) will run rapid. By the time we realize that all this is wrong, it will be too late. Watch your taxes balloon to 46% to 53%, to pay for the increase cost of diseases, medical care and the new sexual diseases not yet known. Not to mention the added welfare cost of those that are unemployable at that time. At my age Thank God I won%u2019t be around to see this mess go down. Good Luck next generation %u2013 you wanted it.